Are B-50 tablets hard on the liver?

[stanley]

Hi Hveragerthi,

Are B-50 tablets hard on the liver if they are not "coenzymated"?
Thank you.

[stanley]

My second question is what do you think about "whole-food vitamins" like this: http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Vita...Caps/15852

[James]

(10-29-2013 11:02 AM)stanley Wrote:  Hi Hveragerthi,

Are B-50 tablets hard on the liver if they are not "coenzymated"?
Thank you.

Vitamins are co-enzymes.

And no, they are not hard on the liver when taken in reasonable amounts. The liver actually uses some B vitamins to detoxify some substances such as excess estrogens.

[James]

(11-25-2013 08:01 AM)stanley Wrote:  My second question is what do you think about "whole-food vitamins" like this: http://www.iherb.com/Garden-of-Life-Vita...Caps/15852

"Whole food vitamins" in this case looks misleading. If they are listing the exact amount of the vitamins present then they would have to be lab derived since vitamin levels vary in plants, even if the same plant and the same source.

I do prefer all herbal vitamin sources or at least lab derived vitamins in an herbal base. I am not impressed with this particular formula though.

One reason is that many of the plants they use are high in oxalates, which can bind some nutrients rendering them useless to the body.

My biggest issue though is the addition of the enzymes, especially the cellulase and hemicellulase. Here is an old post I did explaining why:

http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1554875#i

[stanley]

(11-30-2013 01:28 AM)James Wrote:  ...
And no, they are not hard on the liver when taken in reasonable amounts.

What are the optimal amounts?
For example vegetables contain only small amounts of b-vitamins about 0.1mg to 1mg. Some tablets on the market like B-50 formulas contain 50mg which is a lot.

How do I know if I have Vitamin B deficiency? I feel very anxious sometimes.. brain fog and muscle twitching. If I take two tablets B Vitamin containing (B1 15mg, B6 10mg and B12 20mcg per each) all the symptoms disappear in 2 hours and I feel restful. What does it mean?

[James]

(12-02-2013 03:35 AM)stanley Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 01:28 AM)James Wrote:  ...
And no, they are not hard on the liver when taken in reasonable amounts.

What are the optimal amounts?
For example vegetables contain only small amounts of b-vitamins about 0.1mg to 1mg. Some tablets on the market like B-50 formulas contain 50mg which is a lot.

How do I know if I have Vitamin B deficiency? I feel very anxious sometimes.. brain fog and muscle twitching. If I take two tablets B Vitamin containing (B1 15mg, B6 10mg and B12 20mcg per each) all the symptoms disappear in 2 hours and I feel restful. What does it mean?

We do not need large amounts of B vitamins and generally excess is simply eliminated. I have only known one person ever who took so many B vitamins that he was developing neuropathy from the overdose.

I have explained to people a number of times though who like to take B100s that if you take a B50 it turns your urine bright yellow. This is because the excess B vitamins the body cannot utilize get urinated out. So why do they think taking twice the amount is going to be more beneficial when the body could not even utilize half the amount?

For most people if they want to supplement I really do not recommend above a B50 twice daily. Better yet though would be to cut the B50 in half and take half the B50 twice daily.

B vitamins do help the nervous system, but the symptoms you are describing can occur for a number of reasons. So there is not enough information to go on to tell you why you are getting the benefit.

[stanley]

I will give you more information about my condition.

I'm 22 years old. I had subfebrile temperature and I was very fatigued. The temperature raises in the morning and returns to normal at night. I was so fatigued and had no energy that I could hardly even walk, my sleep was very unrestful. All my lab tests were good. Doctors didn't test me for hormonal problems and I was just a boy so I couldn't tell them. I believe all my symptoms occured from constant stress (playing games on my computer for 4-5 years). One year after that I developed psoriasis (I did a lab test - it was psoriasis vulgaris (plaque))

I started jogging, taking relaxing herbs and after 1-2 years I had energy again, my temperature returns to normal. But my psoriasis did not improved - it covers only 1 to 2 percent of my body - 3-4 dark spots on my arms, 1-2 on my elbows, 3-4 on my chest and they are not large. I still have it and I feel very anxious, excessive sweating, dry skin on my face, acne - white spots, mental fatigue.

I have recently checked my cortisol levels and they are high:

Test (profile) name Result Measurement Reference values
Cortizol - 8:00 /Eclia/ 23.64 ug/dl 6.2 - 19.4
Cortizol - 16:00 /Eclia/ 10.49 ug/dl 2.3 - 11.9

Supplements and herbs I currently take: B-50 complex (half tablet per day), vitamin D3 (1000UI), Omega 3, ashwagandha, valerian. I am going to buy Relora. My diet is very healthy. But I still do not see improvement in my psoriasis, dry skin, sweating (emotional), acne.

I am desperate and sad.

Happy New Year, James!

[James]

(12-31-2013 10:01 AM)stanley Wrote:  I will give you more information about my condition.

I'm 22 years old. I had subfebrile temperature and I was very fatigued. The temperature raises in the morning and returns to normal at night. I was so fatigued and had no energy that I could hardly even walk, my sleep was very unrestful. All my lab tests were good. Doctors didn't test me for hormonal problems and I was just a boy so I couldn't tell them. I believe all my symptoms occured from constant stress (playing games on my computer for 4-5 years). One year after that I developed psoriasis (I did a lab test - it was psoriasis vulgaris (plaque))

I started jogging, taking relaxing herbs and after 1-2 years I had energy again, my temperature returns to normal. But my psoriasis did not improved - it covers only 1 to 2 percent of my body - 3-4 dark spots on my arms, 1-2 on my elbows, 3-4 on my chest and they are not large. I still have it and I feel very anxious, excessive sweating, dry skin on my face, acne - white spots, mental fatigue.

I have recently checked my cortisol levels and they are high:

Test (profile) name Result Measurement Reference values
Cortizol - 8:00 /Eclia/ 23.64 ug/dl 6.2 - 19.4
Cortizol - 16:00 /Eclia/ 10.49 ug/dl 2.3 - 11.9

Supplements and herbs I currently take: B-50 complex (half tablet per day), vitamin D3 (1000UI), Omega 3, ashwagandha, valerian. I am going to buy Relora. My diet is very healthy. But I still do not see improvement in my psoriasis, dry skin, sweating (emotional), acne.

I am desperate and sad.

Happy New Year, James!

Psoriasis is considered autoimmune, so I recommend focusing on your adrenals primarily:

http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2910

http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2462

http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Auto_Immunity.htm