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No adrenaline rush.
Hi.

I had advanced stage adrenal fatigue.
Once I started to feel funny, i went to see a family doctor and did check up. The doc said i was tired. I had TSH 5.01. He said it was normal etc...

A couple of years later, I found a specialist who diagnosed AF when I was at stage 3c (according to Lam's classification).

Now I am getting out of AF.
I feel much better: no brain fog, better energy, muscles strength improved, body temperature stable, pulse rate also stable, blood pressure, sleep, etc

The problem that remaining are:
diffuse hair (hair did fall out, just became thin, very fine and changed color)
still no adrenaline rush. Cannot get excited, angry,
no libido.

The last two i would like to get back asap. I feel that these two problems connected. I do not understand how. Below is blood test I took last fall. I had digestive issues that time. That could affect serotonin level.

I tried Fo-Ti with another herb that acupuncture practitioner suggested i did some acupuncture too. I did not see changes stopped after 3 months.

I did not see changes with horny goat weed.

How long this should be taken to see result? May be longer?

What should I try next? Tribulus? I would appreciate suggestions.

Thanks!

P.S.

25 Hydroxy vitamin D 36 pmol/L deficiency < 25 pmol/L
insufficiency 25 - 75 pmol/L
sufficiency 76 - 250 pmol/L
toxicity > 250 pmol/L

PTH 3.4 pmol/L 1.6 - 6.9 pmol/L
Prolactin 8.0 ug/L < 18 ug/L
Lactic Acid 1.3 mmol/L 0.6 - 2.4 mmol/L
Fatty Acids Free 409.0 umol/L 100 - 900 umol/L
Serotonin 1912 nmol/L 170 - 1134 nmol/L
Estradiol 78 pmol/L <157 pmol/L
DHEAS 7.7 umol/L 2.41 - 11.6 umol/L

Cholesterol 6.73 mmol/L Below 5.2 mmol/L Desirable
5.2 - 6.2 mmol/L Borderline high
abow 6.2 mmol/L High

Sodium 143 mmol/L 135 - 147 mmol/L
Potassium 4.3 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.5 mmol/L
TSH 1.46 mIU/L 0.35 - 5.00 mIU/L
Testosterone 10.2 nmol/L 8.4 - 28.7 nmol/L
Testosterone free 28.8 pmol/L 25.0 - 80.0 pmol/L
05-07-2013 12:24 PM
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RE: No adrenaline rush.
(05-07-2013 12:24 PM)Klauss Wrote:  Hi.

I had advanced stage adrenal fatigue.
Once I started to feel funny, i went to see a family doctor and did check up. The doc said i was tired. I had TSH 5.01. He said it was normal etc...

That is not normal. A TSH 5 is at the upper limit of normal under the old standards and very high under current standards, which has an upper limit of 3. The high TSH would indicate hypothyroidism, which could account for some of the symptoms.

A couple of years later, I found a specialist who diagnosed AF when I was at stage 3c (according to Lam's classification).

Now I am getting out of AF.
I feel much better: no brain fog, better energy, muscles strength improved, body temperature stable, pulse rate also stable, blood pressure, sleep, etc

Most of those symptoms are hypothyroid symptoms, which can result from hypoadrenalism.

The problem that remaining are:
diffuse hair (hair did fall out, just became thin, very fine and changed color)

This can sill be thyroid. Have you done your basal body temperature to see where your thyroid is at? This is more accurate than lab tests.

still no adrenaline rush. Cannot get excited, angry,
no libido.

The last two i would like to get back asap. I feel that these two problems connected. I do not understand how. Below is blood test I took last fall. I had digestive issues that time. That could affect serotonin level.

I tried Fo-Ti with another herb that acupuncture practitioner suggested i did some acupuncture too. I did not see changes stopped after 3 months.

I did not see changes with horny goat weed.

How long this should be taken to see result? May be longer?

What should I try next? Tribulus? I would appreciate suggestions.

Thanks!

P.S.

25 Hydroxy vitamin D 36 pmol/L deficiency < 25 pmol/L
insufficiency 25 - 75 pmol/L
sufficiency 76 - 250 pmol/L
toxicity > 250 pmol/L

PTH 3.4 pmol/L 1.6 - 6.9 pmol/L
Prolactin 8.0 ug/L < 18 ug/L
Lactic Acid 1.3 mmol/L 0.6 - 2.4 mmol/L
Fatty Acids Free 409.0 umol/L 100 - 900 umol/L
Serotonin 1912 nmol/L 170 - 1134 nmol/L
Estradiol 78 pmol/L <157 pmol/L
DHEAS 7.7 umol/L 2.41 - 11.6 umol/L

Cholesterol 6.73 mmol/L Below 5.2 mmol/L Desirable
5.2 - 6.2 mmol/L Borderline high
abow 6.2 mmol/L High

Sodium 143 mmol/L 135 - 147 mmol/L
Potassium 4.3 mmol/L 3.5 - 5.5 mmol/L
TSH 1.46 mIU/L 0.35 - 5.00 mIU/L
Testosterone 10.2 nmol/L 8.4 - 28.7 nmol/L
Testosterone free 28.8 pmol/L 25.0 - 80.0 pmol/L

As for the adrenals nutrition should be first and foremost. The adrenals rely more heavily on vitamin C than any other part of the body and get priority over available vitamin C. Therefore, increasing vitamin C intake is a good start. Not synthetic ascorbic acid though commonly sold in health foods stores. This synthetic vitamin C is very unstable and not as effective as natural vitamin C sources. Food sources include papaya, kiwis, guava, peppers and berries. The best herbal sources are acerola cherry, rosehips, nettle leaf and amla.

The second most important nutrient is the B vitamin pantothenic acid. The best sources include pollen, nutritional yeast, seaweeds and nettle leaf.

Some of my favorite adaptogenic herbs for building up the adrenals are schisandra berry, licorice root and jiaogulan.

Remember to avoid stimulants like caffeine and steroidal medications.

As for the low libido there can be a number of reasons for this including the high serotonin. Could also be elevated progesterone, low dopamine or testosterone, etc.

If you want to try and increase your testosterone some then tribulus us a good start, but I also recommend adding an aromatase inhibitor such as nettle root.

http://www.MountainMistBotanicals.com
05-15-2013 11:44 PM
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RE: No adrenaline rush.
Thanks, James!

I was working on my adrenals/thyroid. Took the supplements you have mentioned. Natural vit C, also fat-soluble vitamin C, Vit- B5, microelements zinc, calcium, magnesium. Most of the symptoms are gone by now. Temperature is stable through the day. Before it used to jump up when i was doing even light exercises. Energy is better. Sleep is good. I feel almost like it was before.
Except the problem with libido, no adrenaline rush, hair.

My recent tests also showed low serum iron, low saturation but high ferritin level. I have read that high ferritin is due to low thyroid function. Without optimal iron thyroid would not work well. What is your opinion? Shall I supplement iron if my serum iron is low normal something like 9 out of (9-30) and saturation is also low.

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

If i have no adrenaline rushes ( I cannot get really angry or excited. when i am doing sports), does it mean that adrenals do not work properly still? I feel like adrenaline rush and libido could be connected.
05-21-2013 07:50 AM
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(05-21-2013 07:50 AM)Klauss Wrote:  Thanks, James!

I was working on my adrenals/thyroid. Took the supplements you have mentioned. Natural vit C, also fat-soluble vitamin C, Vit- B5, microelements zinc, calcium, magnesium. Most of the symptoms are gone by now. Temperature is stable through the day. Before it used to jump up when i was doing even light exercises. Energy is better. Sleep is good. I feel almost like it was before.
Except the problem with libido, no adrenaline rush, hair.

Lack of libido can be from several things including low testosterone, low dopamine, high prolactin, high serotonin, etc.

The hair issue can also be from hypothyroidism, which can have numerous causes including adrenal dysfunction.

Have you tried supplementing with the amino acid tyrosine? Tyrosine is needed for the formation of epinephrine and dopamine, and is also required or the synthesis of thyroid hormones. I recommend 1g 3 times daily at least 30 minutes before meals. It is best taken alone since amino acids compete for receptor sites and therefore can impede the absorption of other amino acids.


My recent tests also showed low serum iron, low saturation but high ferritin level. I have read that high ferritin is due to low thyroid function. Without optimal iron thyroid would not work well. What is your opinion? Shall I supplement iron if my serum iron is low normal something like 9 out of (9-30) and saturation is also low.

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

I do not recommend supplementing with iron until you know for sure what is causing your elevated ferritin. Elevated ferritin can also occur for other reasons such as hemochromatosis. Supplementing iron with hemochromatosis is a really bad idea. Therefore, you really need to know what is causing the elevated ferritin first.

If i have no adrenaline rushes ( I cannot get really angry or excited. when i am doing sports), does it mean that adrenals do not work properly still?

I would try the tyrosine first. Your other symptoms of adrenal dysfunction are disappearing so the adrenals are strengthening. If you are not getting sufficient tyrosine though this could inhibit adrenaline formation.

The other possibility is that you are hypomethylating, which could also block epinephrine synthesis. If this is the case then supplementing with trimethylglycine (TMG) can help. Recommended dose is 1-2g three times daily.


I feel like adrenaline rush and libido could be connected.

Adrenaline does play a role in libido, but again low libido can be from a number of things.

http://www.MountainMistBotanicals.com
05-26-2013 03:28 AM
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RE: No adrenaline rush.
Thank you for the answers!

I was looking what Tribulus brand would be good. I was reading various forums: bodybuilders, athletes, etc. I have found this information:

Tribulus terrestris has a toxic effect in sheep. It has been found to cause a chronic, progressive, irreversible disorder in the dopamine circuits of the nigrostriatal complex in the brain, resulting in impaired muscle function and weakness in the hindquarters, eventually leading to death.

What do you think? Was it an old studies that was not confirmed?

Thanks,
Klauss
06-26-2013 12:50 PM
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RE: No adrenaline rush.
Friend, here is the exact link you need.

It's James clearing up some of the false info on
Tribulus, and the problems with some of the
studies, where the false info has it's origin.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1819102
06-28-2013 01:14 PM
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