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Addressing Bob McCauley's Alkaline Myth Rebuttal
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Addressing Bob McCauley's Alkaline Myth Rebuttal
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Bob McCauley decided to do a rebuttal video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQxXGUj...hw03c010c) to the video Markus and I did The ALKALINE MYTH and HYPE- The Acid-Alkaline Truth EXPOSED (http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6381) without having a clue what he was talking about. The following are the responses to his "rebuttal" I posted on both videos:

There is this guy claiming to be a doctor who did a supposed rebuttal to this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQxXGUjzCM I am addressing his NUMEROUS mistakes with his highly faulty arguments.

Where does cancer come from 6:41 "nobody knows"?!!!! You clearly don't spend much time researching facts. If you had then you would have known that the vast majority of cancers comes from viral infections. The viral oncogenes are inserted in to our own genes where they alter gene function such as turning off tumor suppressor genes, inhibiting apoptosis, increasing growth hormone output, etc.

Less common causes of cancer that have been reported in the medical journals are radiation, mycotoxins such as aflatoxins, bacteria such as H. pylori and in very rare cases from parasitical infections. Heredity is a possibility in one cancer known as familial retinoblastoma.

Makes me wonder if you ever do any real research?

The cancer exporting protons makes us really acid 7:08, ROTFLMAO!!!!! That is a complete crock!!!! The cancer itself arises in alkalinity to begin with. Even areas of the body that are normally acidic such as the colon and stomach have significantly increased rates of cancer when alkalized, which is one of the various reasons ionized alkaline water increases the risk of cancers. Even in the later stages of growth as the export of protons exceeds removal only the LOCALIZED area around the tumor becomes acidic. Nowhere else!!! I am beginning to wonder what kind of doctor you are supposed to be because you lack a knowledge of even basic human physiology.

Your pH CANNOT be measured by the urine a you falsely claim at 7:21. That only tells you urinary pH, NOWHERE ELSE in the body. Some people also think salivary pH also reflects blood pH. It DOES NOT. The ONLY way to know blood pH is with a blood test.

Around 7:30 you start with some nonsense about cancer patients having very acidic urine, which again IS NOT an indicator of blood pH. A real doctor would have known that fact.

Then you falsely claim that the kidneys try to offset this by producing a bunch of ammonia, which is a bunch of bullshit!!!

Ammonia is highly toxic to the body and if what you said were true the advanced stage cancer patients would be in a coma induced by the high level of ammonia. Ammonia produced by the kidneys is metabolized by the liver after being returned in to circulation or excreted in the urine. Most ammonia is produced in the gut then converted in to urea by the liver to be eliminated by the kidneys. Ammonia can also be produced by pathogenic bacteria to make an alkaline environment to help them survive. For example H pylori and the bacteria that cause urinary tract infections. The later is why a high (alkaline) pH is seen in the urine during urinary tract infections.

At 8:35 you talk about drinking ionized alkaline water for cancer. Why? The alkalinity is NEUTRALIZED by the stomach acid. And the stomach acid is dangerously neutralized also in the process, which INCREASES the risk of cancer for a number of reasons. The caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that make the water alkaline also dissociate forming the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to cancer and other diseases. The water will have NO effect on the pH of your body other than from the mouth to the stomach.

At 9:00 you say the fact presented that you cannot alter your pH blows the argument in Markus' video. NO IT DOES NOT!!! Anyone understanding even the basics of the topic knows that the pH being discussed in the blood pH. No food or water is going to adjust that pH. Again the body has redundant mechanisms to maintain the pH in a narrow range. Even if you hyperventilate, which makes you alkaline cutting off blood flow and oxygen to the brain causing you to pass out, all you are going to do is fall down then your respiration will cease temporarily to build back up the acidifying protons to restore the pH. This is what is meant by you cannot adjust your pH. The body will simply correct any tiny shift you make in the pH back to normal. BASIC human physiology that any real doctor would have known. When you ingest water at a caustic pH of 9.5-10 as you state this ONLY alkalizes again from the mouth to the stomach. It has ZERO effect on the blood pH, which is what the pH balance is all about. If you are going to debate the topic at least learn about the topic first!

Around 9:40 you talk about all the acids we put in our bodies and start listing types of foods. I guess you are not aware of the fact that ALL food get metabolized in to acids. And many of the so-called "alkaline foods" actually have acidic pH values to begin with. There is NO such thing as an alkalizing food. And I guess you are also unaware of the fact that the body is made up of acids and is run by acids. Digestion, absorption, blood pressure control, cellular energy production, tissue formation bone remodeling, oxygenation of tissues, detoxification, etc. all involve acids!!!! We cannot survive or even exist without acids. A real doctor would have known those facts!!!

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08-19-2017 07:23 AM
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Rebuttal errors continued:

At 9:57 you state homeostasis is at a pH around 7 and repeat this nonsense again at 10:58 and 13:38. Again urinary pH DOES NOT indicate blood pH, which is what is being discussed and at a blood pH of 7 you would actually be in acidosis. Urinary pH is affected by hydration levels, certain supplements and medications, exercise, things in diet or by degradation of food products and by bacteria in the urine. It is as inaccurate as salivary pH in regards to blood pH.

At 13:50 you talk about the raw food diet being very alkaline, which again is complete bullshit. As pointed out ALL foods metabolize in to acids. This is BASIC human physiology!!!! Plants actually produce more acids during metabolism than meats. And plants often have higher acidity levels to begin with. Again there is NO SUCH THING as an alkalizing food. The benefits of raw diets come from the higher nutritional value and phytochemicals, most of which are ACIDS to begin with!!!

Then you contradict your own arguments around 14:50. You agreed with the acidity protecting us from pathogens just before this point then here you state to use the acid water in colonics. Why would you do that? Because the acids in the colon help to protect us from pathogens, same as our stomach acid does every time we swallow. Yet you think it is alright to neutralize the stomach acid with ionized alkaline water leaving people exposed to the pathogens they ingest since there will be no stomach acid to kill those pathogens. See the major contradiction in your statements? You also contradict yourself when talking about only using the acid water externally. I don't know where you supposedly learned human physiology but the colon is INSIDE the body!!!

ROTFLMAO!!! You like common sense as much as the next person 16:40 yet you do not use any!!!!

17:35 you claim alkaline substances are good for the body. I guess you need another lesson in common sense. Some of the most powerful toxins to humans are alkaline alkaloids like strychnine and nicotine. Hint, they ARE NOT good for you!!! Even the ammonia you mentioned earlier incorrectly claiming it is produced by the kidneys is not only alkaline but extremely toxic! And what about the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that make ionized alkaline water alkaline? Do you even have the faintest clue what these are? They are dilute versions of some very caustic products such as Drano (potassium hydroxide), Red Devil Lye (sodium hydroxide), and caustic lime (calcium hydroxide) used to make cement. Note that all of these products come with clear warning labels to not allow any tissue contact with these dangerous hydroxides. Why? Because they will cause severe chemical burns to the tissues. And you think ingesting such crap is safe?!!!!!!!

18:51 You think the number one reason pathogens get through is that people do not drink enough water. ROTFLMAO!!!!! More complete lack of common sense. I guess you have never heard of waterborne pathogens like typhoid, dysentery, and some hepatitis viruses to name a few. In fact, most pathogens cannot even survive without water since they are living and all living things require water.

19:08 "B" the most important is people do not take probiotics. Another lesson in common sense. These pathogens are not crawling up your butt to make you sick. Most are entering the body from the other direction from the mouth. This again is why one of the major roles of the stomach acid that you are neutralizing with the ionized alkaline water is to kill those pathogens when they first enter the body so they cannot become pathogenic to the body. Same reason the very young and very old are more prone to food poisoning. They have lower stomach acid levels. And when people neutralize their stomach acid with things like antacids, acid blockers, calcium carbonate (coral, dolomite, oyster shell), magnesium hydroxide (Milk of Magnesia), ionized alkaline waters, etc, they are also increasing their risk of illness from pathogens for the same exact reason. The probiotics are only going to help further down the line such as in the intestines. But if the pathogen has made it that far already then you are already going to be in big trouble!!!

19:37 "all pathogens"?!!!! Nobody made that claim so exaggerating is not helping your already rapidly sinking credibility. Pathogens can infect us in many ways. Even a cut, which why NOBODY said "all pathogens" as you imply. And as far as H. pylori I guess you did not pay attention to where in Markus' video is was CLEARLY pointed out that H. pylori produces highly alkaline ammonia to neutralize the stomach acid for its survival. To further ensure its survival this corkscrew shaped bacteria screws itself in to to the stomach wall to further reduce any potential acid exposure. If you bothered to look at some medical journals once in a while you would have been aware of these facts. And NOBODY said "we do not produce stomach acid anymore" (19:53) either. Look up the definition of "neutralizes". You will find that this DOES NOT "does not produce anymore".

Not even half way through this video and this "Dr." has hardly gotten anything right. But I don't have time to go through the rest of his NUMEROUS errors right now. So I will continue this later.

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08-19-2017 07:26 AM
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20:22 you put up wording asking why the ionized alkaline water can be bad when the body will simply adjust the pH. The reason you have to ask is because you are confusing stomach pH with blood pH. The ionized alkaline water will dangerously alkalize the stomach, bit the water has NO effect on blood pH, which is what is being referred to when people talk about alkalizing the body. Stomach acid and blood ARE NOT the same thing. As for why this water is so dangerous I explained this in another post but here is the quote again to you understand these simple facts:

"Actually ionized alkaline water is very dangerous to consume. To understand why let's start with how it is made and what it forms to make it alkaline, which is actually VERY BASIC chemistry.

Ionized alkaline water is produced by electrolysis of mineralized water, which splits the water in to a water with excess positively charged hydrogen ions (protons) making the acid water and a negatively charged hydroxyl group water making an alkaline water. Since opposite charges attract the electrolysis electrodes must be separated in different chambers to keep the water in it split form. The acid water can act as an antioxidant since it can combine with oxygen to form water. The hydroxyl group is a totally different story. The hydroxyl group binds with the positively charged metals of the minerals in the water such as potassium, sodium and calcium forming the corresponding mineral (metal) hydroxides. These are dilute versions of the very caustic compounds Drano (potassium hydroxide), Red Devil Lye (sodium hydroxide) and caustic lime (calcium hydroxide) used to make cement. All of these products have CLEAR warning labels not to allow contact with the tissues for a very good reason. All of these can cause severe tissue damage by chemically burning the tissues!!!

When ingested in dilute form these hydroxides still neutralize the stomach acid, which poses several problems.

First of all this interferes with digestion. This can lead to food allergies since sufficient stomach acid is needed for the protein digestive enzyme pepsin to function properly and completely break down proteins. When there is insufficient stomach acid the proteins only get partially digested and these protein solutes can be absorbed in to the bloodstream acting as antigens to the immune system.

A second problem is that there are certain nutrients such as B6, B12 and folate that need sufficient stomach acid for absorption. These nutrients are needed for the production of the methyl donor SAMe. Methylation itself is required for about 4,000 reactions in the body. And decreased methylation can lead to cancer, heart disease, arthritis, immune suppression, hormone and neurotransmitter imbalances, water balance issues, allergies, etc, etc, etc. Making matters worse methylation is also required for the production of stomach acid, which means as methylation is interfered with by the consumption of ionized alkaline water the levels of stomach acid will further decline leading to even less methylation and cycle continues. I would expect a real doctor to know this basic concept.

Then there is the issue of the neutralization of stomach acid with the ionized alkaline water this also increases the risk of illness from ingested pathogens. Keep in mid the fact that the majority of pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment and are killed by acidity. This is why one role of stomach acid and flora acids is to kill pathogens in the body. Even when there is no food in the stomach there is some acid present for this exact reason since we ingest pathogens every time we swallow anything whether it be just saliva, a drink or food. When you neutralize the stomach acid with ionized alkaline water you are only increasing your risk of pathogen infection every time you swallow. Pretty STUPID thing to do!!!! This also applies to the use of antacids, acid blockers, baking soda, calcium carbonate (coral, dolomite, oyster shell) and magnesium oxide.

On top of all that these is the fact that these mineral (metal) hydroxides dissociate forming the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to the formation of cancer and other diseases."

Then around 21:41 you use the highly faulty reasoning that just because you have drank this water for so long and you are supposedly still healthy that this must mean it is healthy, ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I have known smokers that have smoked longer than you have been drinking the water and they had not shown any adverse health effects. So according to your faulty reasoning everyone should be smoking because it is apparently healthy. And by the same reasoning I have 2 grandparents that owned a cattle ranch. So they were very big in to eating beef. Both lived to 96 years old. According to your faulty hypotheses they should have been super acidic and died long before 96. So using your own basis of what supposedly constitutes healthy we would have to conclude that eating a lot of beef is healthy.

This is why we need not only science, but also some actual common sense. Otherwise we just have people making up whatever claims fit their needs and making up whatever faulty hypotheses they can think of to rationalize their incorrect belief systems. As another example when people falsely claim that lemon juice, which is an acid magically alkalizes the body. I explained this ridiculous myth in my other post.

22:43 You post the absolutely ridiculous comment that why would Markus invite a scientist if he is just going to use common sense to make his points. First problem with that claim is that when even basic science is being discussed it can go way over some people's heads such as it clearly did with you. Secondly, science and common sense can be intertwined. For example common sense tells us that if we put our hands in to a hot campfire that we can get severely burned. Science tells us the same exact thing along with the why. One DOES NOT exclude the other!

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08-19-2017 07:28 AM
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23:39 You put that "or MAYBE it is the alkaline ionized water". So by using the word "MAYBE" you show you are guessing. But of course you are guessing wrong since the water does not affect blood pH and as has been explained in earlier posts ionized alkaline water INCREASES a person's risk of cancer for a variety of reasons.

Ironically a few seconds later you post "saying maybe over and over certainly is not a persuasive (yes I corrected that with the proper spelling since you go it wrong) argument against ionized alkaline water". Yet you used the same word "maybe" in your own argument. The difference is that Markus was using it as a means to get an explanation of the facts while you are just using it out of stupidity to try and argue against things that you lack the knowledge to argue about.

23:52 you post about if they got a machine fro you they did not spend $4,000. You are showing your utter desperation with such a petty argument. There are $4,000 machines out there. And yes there are some cheaply made knockoffs that you can spend less money on. But even $10 is to much for a quack device that can harm your health. If people really want to dangerously neutralize their stomach acid save your money and go buy a $2 bottle of Tums so you have the extra money to deal with the health problems you can develop later from ingesting this dangerous water.

In addition your argument also shows why you are going overboard attacking Markus' video with even the most minuscule things you can think of and by arguing against the same things you are doing and by claiming things were said that were NEVER said in the first place. You are selling these dangerous quack devices putting people's health and lives at risk for the almighty dollar. This makes you no better than a head of a pharmaceutical company knowingly putting out proven dangerous products for profit!!!!

24:06 So you do not feel like a fool. There can be several simple explanations for that. One could be you are a scam artist. Scam artists lack a consciousness, which is why they can be so effective. No remorse and no guilt thus why would they feel like a fool? They do not think like normal people. The other explanation is that you are simply uneducated to the point that you do not understand the chemistry involved or the adverse effects on human physiology. This is very common among the completely gullible. They learn their "science" and "human physiology" from bogus sales and propaganda sites because they lack the intelligence to do any real learning from credible sources such as chemistry and human physiology books.

Around 24:20 you falsely claim that ionized alkaline water is "EXACTLY" like raw fruits and vegetables "in every regard". ROTFLMAO!!!!! So tell me where is the fiber in ionized alkaline water? Or the vitamins or other phytochemicals? In what fruits and vegetables can you find the caustic, radical and disease forming mineral (metal) hydroxides that make ionized alkaline water alkaline? And again ALL foods get metabolized in the body in to acids. Ionized alkaline water is neutralized by the stomach acid neutralizing the stomach acid in the process unlike fruits and vegetables. Again both science and common sense have both proven you completely wrong as usual!!!!

24:30 then you contradict your earlier statement by saying that ionized alkaline water does not have any nutrition. So minerals are not nutrition? I know a lot of real doctors that would definitely disagree with you.

24:33 "Ionized alkaline water has an abundance of electrons". ROTFLMAO!!!! ALL atoms contain electrons. A uranium has 92 electrons as where a water molecule only has 10. So according to your once again highly faulty reasoning and lack of common sense we should all be ingesting uranium for health!!! Or I guess you could just go pee on a electrical outlet to really charge yourself up with a high level of pure electrons!!!! You really should not be trying to debate things you clearly have no knowledge of.

24:40 Then you repeat the myth that all raw fruits and vegetables are very alkaline. So how do you explain the 5.18-5.60 pH (acidic) of watermelon? Or the acidic 3.3-4 pH of apples. Or the 5.5-6.8 pH of spinach. Or the 2.8-3 pH of Concorde grapes? The list goes on and on. In fact you will find that the majority of fruits and vegetables have acidic pH values if you really do some research. Here, let me help you out: https://foodsafety.wisc.edu/business_foo...ate_pH.pdf And as explained several times already ALL foods get metabolized in to acids so there is NO such thing as an alkalizing food. And acids do not magically convert in to alkalis in the body. Nor does diet regulate pH.

25:19 "hydrate, alkalize, detoxify the body". I agree with hydration being very important, which is yet another reason I do not like ionized alkaline water. Highly alkaline substances are well known for causing cellular damage, such as chemical burns from mineral (metal) hydroxides leading to water loss. This is the OPPOSITE of hydrating. Alkaline waters are also extremely slow to absorb since gastric emptying is acid dependent. Any real doctor would have been aware of these facts. As for alkalize the body does this on its own all the time primarily through respiration and and kidney function. No food or water is going to change your blood pH. That is BASIC human physiology that a first year med student would have learned. As for detoxifying that is important but most people have no clue how this can be really accomplished. Just as with the mythical alkaline diet there is a lot of complete nonsense floating around about detoxification. But that would take a book of explanation to correct all the myths, many of which I am sure you support.

25:27 bring your pH up to neutral?!!!! Neutral is 7.0, which means the person would be in the very dangerous condition known by real doctors as acidosis. In medicine acidosis is defined as any pH below the normal and healthy pH of 7.35 to 7.45.

25:38 Again you are making crap up. You said they are telling you not to alkalize. NOBODY said not to alkalize. What was said is that you cannot alter your pH. The body's pH is maintained in an slightly alkaline state, WITHOUT ASSISTANCE, except in EXTREMELY rare circumstances such as kidney failure, respiratory failure and some poisonings. Any real doctor would have known that the body maintains its pH without assistance. Even the slightest shift in the pH and the body responds to make the correction.

For example as I explained before if you really want to alkalize hyperventilate. Why do people pass out when they do this? They are blowing off so much carbon dioxide leading to alkalosis (excess alkalinity). Of course alkalinity reduces blood flow by constricting blood vessels and inhibits tissue oxygenation by interfering with oxygen release from hemoglobin (Bohr effect). The result is a lack of blood flow to the brain causing the person to pass out. When this happens respiration temporarily ceases and the kidneys retain hydrogen ions (protons) to build up some acidity to restore the pH to normal and thus allowing proper circulation and tissue oxygenation to be restored. If the person becomes to acidic respiration increases to lower the acidity and the kidneys respond by increasing excretion of acidic hydrogen ions to further reduce acidity. The kidneys can also secrete bicarbonate, not ammonia as you claim in the video, to also help reduce acidity.

So as we can see pH IS NOT regulated by diet nor the water you drink. And as we can see you cannot alter your pH unless you want to destroy your lungs and kidneys or poison yourself. Any change will be met with the lungs and kidneys shifting the pH right back in to the normal range. Again this is basic human physiology that a first year med student would have learned!!!

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Rebuttal errors continued:

26:20 "do they live on a raw food diet? No". Why are you lying again. Markus is a major raw foodist and has written extensively on the topic. Your continued lying is not helping your already shot credibility.

26:31 "They have created a lot of confusion". ROTFLMAO!!! Stating the facts is not confusing to most people. Only to those who have no clue what they are talking about because they taught themselves a lot of nonsense that they are not going to let go of regardless of how much evidence is out there from credible sources proving them wrong. Again if you would simply pick up some chemistry books and human physiology books and study them to learn how things really work in real life then you would stop confusing people with your complete BS!!!

26:42 So you wrote a science fiction book called the Miraculous Properties of Ionized Water. Now I see yet another financial incentive for you to mislead people about this dangerous, caustic water. You mentioned earlier selling quack water ionizers. People often suddenly develop tunnel vision and lose all ability to use rational thought when financial gain becomes involved.

27:00 You wrote "I don't believe that ionizing water creates hydroxides". ROTFLMAO!!!! What do you think makes the alkaline water alkaline? Fairy dust or alkaline unicorn poop?!!!!! How can you write a book on the subject when you do not even understand the most basic chemistry of the water. That is like a hamburger flipper at a fast food restaurant writing a book on brain surgery!!!!

Since you clearly do not understand how the water is formed here is the explanation again as I explained in an earlier post:

""Actually ionized alkaline water is very dangerous to consume. To understand why let's start with how it is made and what it forms to make it alkaline, which is actually VERY BASIC chemistry.

Ionized alkaline water is produced by electrolysis of mineralized water, which splits the water in to a water with excess positively charged hydrogen ions (protons) making the acid water and a negatively charged hydroxyl group water making an alkaline water. Since opposite charges attract the electrolysis electrodes must be separated in different chambers to keep the water in it split form. The acid water can act as an antioxidant since it can combine with oxygen to form water. The hydroxyl group is a totally different story. The hydroxyl group binds with the positively charged metals of the minerals in the water such as potassium, sodium and calcium forming the corresponding mineral (metal) hydroxides. These are dilute versions of the very caustic compounds Drano (potassium hydroxide), Red Devil Lye (sodium hydroxide) and caustic lime (calcium hydroxide) used to make cement. All of these products have CLEAR warning labels not to allow contact with the tissues for a very good reason. All of these can cause severe tissue damage by chemically burning the tissues!!! ........"

27:30 You don't "THINK" that ionized water is full of hydroxides". So again what is making the water alkaline? The fairy dust of alkaline unicorn poop? Just because you don't think does not make the information you disagree with wrong. And I am still curious why you wrote a book on a subject that you CLEARLY know nothing about? Especially with a topic of a product that can do serious harm to one's wallet and health?

27:32 You "THINK" he has his chemistry wrong. There you go supposedly thinking again but still coming to the totally wrong conclusions. If the chemistry is wrong then why don't you explain to everyone right here how ionized alkaline water is made and what SPECIFICALLY makes the water so caustically alkaline? Or simply admit that you were completely wrong yet once again and that the water is made alkaline by the hydroxides formed by electrolysis that even a very basic chemistry class would teach you.

27:44 ROTFLMAO!!! You just gone done claiming the chemistry was wrong and now you are claiming they are hydroxyl ions, which was exactly what has been pointed out. Remember where I have stated several times that the mineral (metal) hydroxides are from the reaction of the NEGATIVELY CHARGED HYDROXYL GROUP and the POSITIVELY CHARGED METALS FROM THE MINERALS? Well guess what that negatively charged hydroxyl group is also called? That's right hydroxyl ions!!!!! And as pointed out opposites attract. So what do those negatively charged hydroxyl ions react with? The positively charged metals of the minerals in the water. And this forms what? The mineral (metal) hydroxides that make the water alkaline that you don't even think exists in the water. Here is a link with an example so you have a reference for your new book when you get educated on the subject and decide to rewrite your book with some actual facts:

https://socratic.org/questions/what-is-t...-hydroxide

"Potassium hydroxide is an ionic compound. The potassium has a charge of K+ and hydroxide has a charge of OH−. We need 1 potassium ion to balance one hydroxide ion making the formula KOH. K2O+ H2O→KOH"

And what other thing did I point out about these hydroxides? That they dissociate forming the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to cancer and other diseases.

27:47 You wrote "it is a basic misunderstanding of the properties (again I corrected the spelling) of ionized water". So how is it a misunderstanding when you just confirmed 100% what was said and you are claiming was wrong to begin with?!!!! You are severely contradicting yourself again!!!

27:47 These hydroxides are not dangerous to the body? You did not even know what a hydroxyl ion was so what makes you think you are an expert on hydroxides, which again are formed by the reaction between the hydroxyl ion and the metals from the minerals in the water? So it is alright or healthy to drink Drano in your opinion? While you are pondering your completely erroneous statement I suggest you also research the hydroxyl radical formed by the dissociation of these mineral (metal) hydroxides and the various adverse effects of the hydroxyl radical on the human body.

27:50 "and they are not a super hydroxyl ion". What are you talking about? NOBODY said anything about such a non-existent particle.

27:59 They are just "an oxygen molecule with an extra electron attached". ROTFLMAO!!!! You don't have the faintest clue what you talking about. First of all a hydroxyl ion is a negatively charged OH molecule. Notice the "H" on the "OH" molecule. That IS NOT an oxygen molecule as you incorrectly claim. An example of an oxygen molecule would be something like O2, which both oxygen atoms share the same electrons making it stable. An oxygen molecule DOES NOT contain hydrogen (H), So how can the hydroxyl ion be an oxygen molecule with an extra electron attached? Even if you could have an oxygen with an extra electron attached that would make the oxygen molecule highly unstable and thus highly reactive thus making it dangerous.

28:04 You write about the hydrogen in the water being beneficial, which if I recall right was mentioned. The ACID water is full of hydrogen, which makes the acid water antioxidant. Again the mineral (metal) hydroxides in the alkaline water dissociate forming the dangerous hydroxyl radical.

Regardless the whole hydrogen issue is really overblown with tons of hype. Are you aware of the fact that we produce plenty of hydrogen in the body every day during fermentation in the gut. Despite this fact people still get sick and this hydrogen is not curing people. Explain to everyone here in detail how that can be if hydrogen is so beneficial.

28:13 They are hydroxyls and hydroxyls are great for the body and are free radical scavengers". Once again the "hydroxyls" you are referring to are the negatively charged hydroxyl group that is attracted to the positively charged metals of the minerals in the water forming the corresponding caustic and radical forming mineral (metal) hydroxides. And the NUMEROUS dangers of the mineral (metal) hydroxides and the hydroxyl radical they form has already been discussed NUMEROUS times.

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Rebuttal errors continued:

28:19 "He is telling you that you are drinking a bunch of hydroxides". Well of course because you are!!! And contrary to what you are claiming they are the same EXACT things used to make soap, just in a more dilute form. But this has already been proven in my previous comments.

28:19 "You can drink Drano". Only if you want to die a quick and EXTREMELY painful death!!!! The only reason the mineral (metal) hydroxides in ionized alkaline water, which includes potassium hydroxide that in concentrated form is in fact Drano, don't kill you like Drano when ingested is because these mineral (metal) hydroxides are so dilute. This is like you can drink extremely diluted salt in water without harm. But you cannot drink seawater.

29:20 "The acid water is full of free radicals". ROTFLMAO!!!! There you go yet once again contradicting yourself. Yes, the acid water is full of the free radical known as the HYDROGEN atom!!! Yet at 28:04 you were just expounding on how beneficial the hydrogen in the water is. You really need to stop contradicting yourself so much. You are just confusing the hell out of people with your ever changing stories!!!

29:26 "It is an oxidant: bad Not an antioxidant: good". There you go with the contradicting yourself again and making crap up. So how is hydrogen an oxidant when there is no oxygen? Do you even know what oxidation is? And why is hydrogen claimed to be so beneficial by many people? Ah, because of its ANTI-OXIDANT properties!!!! On the other hand the alkaline water you tout as healthy forms the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to the formation of cancer and other diseases. So in your mind the dangerous hydrogen antioxidant is BAD while the dangerous disease causing hydroxyl radical is GOOD. You have so much to learn because you have barley gotten anything correct and you keep getting things backward and contradicting yourself!!!!

29:30 "You are not going to notice the taste of the acid water". Whey not when acids create a sour taste?

29:31 "drinking free radicals this is exactly what you are not supposed to do". Again you are contradicting yourself. If you drink the hydrogen water you are drinking the hydrogen radical but this is the same antioxidant radical that makes the water an antioxidant. And you were touting earlier of how the hydrogen was so beneficial. Then you tell people to drink the ionized alkaline water despite the fact that this contains the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to disease formation. Again you are confusing people with all your contradictory bullshit!!!

29:40 "inorganic minerals are very difficult for the body to absorb". More BS!!! As already pointed out the body readily absorbs salts.You are simply regurgitating proven bogus propaganda.

What I find especially funny are the people who fell for this myth then claim that inorganic minerals are not even absorbed by the body. They they turn around and falsely claim the inorganic minerals deposit in the arteries causing atherosclerosis and in the kidneys causing kidney stones. Let's use some common sense here people. If these inorganic minerals are not even being absorbed how would they make it to the arteries and kidneys? Its there a little Star Trek Scotty in all of us beaming those minerals straight from the digestive tract to the arteries and kidneys? Come on people wake up and stop listening to the bogus health propaganda such as the crap this guy is spewing.

There have been some studies that have found certain minerals such as calcium carbonate, and magnesium hydroxide (another mineral hydroxide that can be found in ionized alkaline water) are poorly absorbed in people with LOW STOMACH ACID to begin with!!!! Why? Simple, because calcium and magnesium are better absorbed as chloride salts, which are formed when these minerals react with stomach acid. Sea salt is also readily absorbed because it also contains chloride salts. Minerals from food are also absorbed as either chloride salts or chelated to proteins.

29:51 You wrote "salt is extremely easy for the body to absorb regardless of what form it is in". First of all that claim is totally false. But more importantly you are contradicting yourself yet once again. You said inorganic minerals are "difficult to absorb". Well where is the carbon in sodium chloride salt to make it organic? In fact I can name a number of inorganic salts that are minerals that are still readily absorbed. Then there are salts such as magnesium hydroxide that in water forms magnesium hydroxide that is not well absorbed by most people. So NO, not all salts are readily absorbed.

29:56 "the calcium or magnesium molecule with an extra electron attached". What in the hell are you taking about? And please provide some examples of these molecules with the supposed extra electrons from credible sources. This should be quite entertaining!

30:03 You wrote "Having an abundance of electrons are the reason that raw foods are more easily than cooked foods". More easily what? And again you are making crap up. The number of electrons does not mean healthy as I pointed out in my earlier post. But in case you missed it here was my response to that nonsense again:

"24:33 "Ionized alkaline water has an abundance of electrons". ROTFLMAO!!!! ALL atoms contain electrons. A uranium has 92 electrons as where a water molecule only has 10. So according to your once again highly faulty reasoning and lack of common sense we should all be ingesting uranium for health!!! Or I guess you could just go pee on a electrical outlet to really charge yourself up with a high level of pure electrons!!!! You really should not be trying to debate things you clearly have no knowledge of."

30:40 "you do not want to drink purified water, he did not mention that". Does something so simple really have to be explained to you? The topic WAS NOT purified water. Markus did another video on that topic and the purified water supporters came out in droves to attack. But if you are doing a video on how to build a rocket you do not sit their and discuss how to bake a cake. The topic was the alkaline myth and the dangers of ionized alkaline water, not purified water.

30:45 You wrote "purified water and ionized water are exactly the opposite from one another". Well one has minerals removed and one contains caustic radical forming hydroxides. So they do share one thing in common, which is they are both very dangerous to drink.

30:53 You claim that it is just an opinion that inorganic minerals are easily absorbed. No, it IS NOT "just an opinion" it is a fact proven by real science. And again you even claimed at 29:51 that salts are readily absorbed by the body regardless of the form. So once again you are contradicting yourself being that most salts are INORGANIC minerals!!!! You really need to learn how to keep your stories straight. Hint, it is extremely easy to do when you are not just making crap up since you don't have to remember the lies you already told.

31:35 You wrote "Apparently we drank water from sources that did not provide minerals from the body". ROTFLMAO!!!! Of course we did not use water that provided minerals from the body. First of all that means you would be drinking urine, sweat or blood. Secondly you would be taking minerals away from the body instead of providing minerals TO the body. What people did was to drink from mineralized water sources such as wells, rivers, lakes, etc. They also collected rain water, which nucleates on dust particles then collects more minerals on the way down and when it comes in to contact with what it is caught in. These inorganic minerals have always been a source of minerals for the human body.

31:42 You wrote "who says we actually had healthy, strong bones when we drank water from these sources?" Uh let's see. The medical journals that you apparently never bother to look at. We know this fact from the skeletal records of humans. The most important mineral needed for healthy bones is silica, which is also absorbed in an inorganic form as orthosilicic acid. The best source of this is waters from springs and wells.

31:47 You wrote "where is the historical record for that statement?" Again the medical journals. You know there is a whole world of information that exists outside the bogus sales and propaganda sites that you have been getting your erroneous information from. All it takes is a little effort to look and you can fill your head with all sorts of actually accurate information for once.

31:50 You wrote "This is pure supposition on the part of Sloan" while it was being mentioned that hard water is from the minerals calcium and magnesium. That is not supposition, that again is BASIC science. If you are referring to something else then why aren't you providing any credible evidence to the contrary? Come to think about it you have been claiming that virtually everything in Markus' video has been wrong yet you have yet to provide even a single shred of evidence to back ANY of your statements. I'm not surprised since someone cannot back their bullshit claims with real evidence since no real evidence exists!!!

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32:01 You wrote "James does not understand water chemistry which is notoriously tricky". ROTFLMAO!!!! This coming from someone that does not even understand the absolute basics of chemistry. This guy who claims to actually be some form of a doctor claims he wrote a book on the benefits of ionized alkaline water. But he did not know that the water was made alkaline by caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides. In fact he claimed that he did not even think they were in the water. He erroneously claimed that this is completely different than products such as Drano and lye when in fact the water is just dilute versions of these dangerous compounds. He did not know the what he is referring to as "hydroxyls" are the same thing as the hydroxyl ion that forms the mineral (metal) hydroxides in the ionized alkaline water. In fact he denied the presence of this negatively charged hydroxyl group initially in his video then claimed this gave the health benefits. He did not know the caustic hydroxides harmed tissue and caused disease by inhibiting stomach acid. He did not know that the mineral (metal) hydroxides dissociated in to the dangerous disease forming hydroxyl radical. He claimed in one point of the video that the hydrogen in the water was beneficial then claimed the acid water as detrimental due to the free radicals, which are the hydrogen ions he just got done shortly before were the beneficial component!!! He claimed all salts, most of which are inorganic minerals, are readily absorbed while also claiming several times that inorganic minerals are not easily absorbed. He claimed the hydroxyl ion was an oxygen molecule with an extra electron attached, ROTFLMAO!!! Then he was rambling on about some other molecule with an extra electron attached, which was totally ridiculous. Several times he made up some BS about the higher electron levels being more healthy, which was disproven several times. This is just a partial list. I mean the list of errors and contradictions by this guy is enormous and he has the balls to claim someone with a superior knowledge of chemistry compared to him "does not understand basic water chemistry"?!!!! His knowledge of human physiology is also severely lacking!!!!

32:10 "how confusing they are making it". The only person confusing things is you because you are so confused. All you have to do is to pick up some books on basic chemistry and human physiology and research them. This should clear up a lot of your confusion when you finally figure out that virtually everything you have claimed is 100% wrong.

32:31 "water is not water". Of course not. There is good to ingest water such a clean spring and well waters then they are dangerous to drink waters like ionized alkaline water, seawater and ultrapure water. That is just simple common sense and does not require an MIT degree to figure out.

32:52 You wrote " First Sloan says that any kind of alkaline water with mineral is not healthy". ROTFLMAO!!!! Wow you are SUPER DESPERATE to keep lying like this!!!!!! NEVER did I say that any alkaline water with minerals is not healthy. Are you listening to the lying voices in your head and believing them? The topic was ionized alkaline water, which is what was pointed out was dangerous due to the caustic and radical forming mineral (metal) hydroxides in the water. Not all alkaline waters with minerals are caustic nor radical forming like ionized alkaline water. Naturally alkaline waters are made alkaline by carbonates, which do not have the dangerous ultra high pH levels of the caustic ionized alkaline water. And unlike the caustic and radical forming ionized alkaline water, water made alkaline from carbonates form acidic carbonic acid when they are reacted on by stomach acid maintaining some acidity in the stomach. The dangerous ionized alkaline water simply neutralizes the stomach acid leading to increased risk of infection form ingested pathogens including cancer pathogens, incomplete digestion increasing the risk of food allergies, decreased nutrient absorption and decreased methylation leading to all sorts of health issues. A real doctor would have been aware of all these facts!!

32:57 Then you wrote "then he says we drank river water giving us healthy bones". Selective quoting to try and create an issue that does not exist is a sign of a con artist.

You can take all sorts of minerals from water, food or supplements and that does not guarantee strong bones since the minerals still have to be deposited in the bone and that takes a couple of things including the most important nutrient for bone health, which is primarily supplied in water. Let's see if you can name that nutrient specifically and what two roles it plays specifically to produce bone. If you did not get your naturopathic doctor degree from some diploma mill then you should be able to answer these questions with no problem. Of course I predict no answers from you since as I already pointed out I think you are a complete fraud since a real doctor would understand at least basic chemistry and human physiology, which you clearly DO NOT!!! I guess we will see if you answer proving me wrong or refuse to answer proving me right about you.

32:59 "they are making it up as they go". How would you know? You don't even have the slightest grasp of basic chemistry nor human physiology. That is why you have to repeatedly attack the person not the message. You have yet to provide even a single shred of real evidence to back any of your claims. Why? Because YOU are making it up as YOU go. You cannot provide evidence to back your claims because no real evidence backing your fraudulent claims exist.

33:04 "this has really gotten in to the realm of conjecture". ROTFLMAO!!! You say that then you post a portion of the video where we are talking about the acids that make up the body and examples of acids required by the body. Then you start repeating the same points about the brain and body being made up of acids like amino acids and fats, which are made up of fatty acids by the way. So you are contradicting yourself yet once again for the umpteenth time saying the points we made were "conjecture" then repeating the same exact points as fact. You are really screwed up!!!

33:27 "Al l your vitamins are acids". No they are not. Some vitamins are acids as I pointed out in the clip you presented that you are calling conjecture. Now you trying to base your facts on what I have already stated that you called conjecture. What an imbecile!!!!

33:35 "that does not mean the body is really acid". ROTFLMAO!!! More desperation on your part as NOBODY said this makes us acid. If you paid attention to the very first part of the video it was CLEARLY pointed out that there are some parts of the body that are acidic and some parts that are alkaline for health. So only a completely ignorant fool would think that means the person is saying this means the body is acidic. How did you ever manage to make it through college? Or did you get your ND from a diploma mill?

33:38 "so this idea that we are down here with this really low pH". LOL!!! What in the hell are you rambling on about now. NOBODY claimed that we are down here with this really low pH. If you have a really low pH you would be dead already. Any REAL doctor, MD or ND, would have known that fact!!!! The body can only survive within a very narrow pH range. Normal is 7.35-7.45. Get slightly out of that range and you are in serious trouble. Get any further out of that range such as below 7.0, which is neutral and you are likely going to be dead. So how would one get a really low pH, let's say 2.0-3.0 and survive. Please elaborate on your newest highly erroneous statement.

33:48 "by putting all this stuff in to our bodes like alkaline vegetables or ionized water". OK more proof that you are totally clueless when it comes to chemistry and human physiology. First of all there is NO such thing as an alkaline vegetable or food for that matter. Most of the vegetables that are claimed to be alkaline are actually acidic.Look back through my posts. I even posted a link to a food pH chart for you to verify this fact to yourself. Secondly, EVERY SINGLE FOOD YOU CONSUME gets metabolized in to acids. This is BASIC human physiology that is taught to first year med students. So this is a great example why I doubt you actually went to a school to legally obtain an ND degree. First year med students are also aware of the fact that regardless of the pH of your food or water this DOES NOT alter your blood pH because pH is regulated almost exclusively through lung and kidney function. How can you be a real ND degree and not know these basic facts? Diploma mill?

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33:56 You wrote "There is no evidence that people's health HAS NOT suddenly declined when they started alkalizing their bodies." ROTFLMAO!!! Well you finally got something kind of right but it was a Freudian slip. Note you said "has not suddenly declined". Therefore you are stating that people's health has suddenly declined when they started alkalizing. Well if a person could alkalize their body more than it already is then they would be in the very dangerous condition called alkalosis. Alkalosis raises blood pressure, reduces circulation and inhibits tissue oxygenation. All dangerous things to one's health In severe cases the person dies from a lack of oxygen due to to lack of oxygen delivery and from the alkalosis induced spasm contractions of the lungs that prevents the person from breathing. When you get a real medical degree you will learn these facts. So yes you are kind of right in the fact that people's will suddenly decline if a person could become more alkaline as your Freudian slip clearly implies.

34:00 Your ramblings are getting more incoherent. I guess all that alkaline water has left you without enough energy to finish telling your lies for 45 minutes. you are rambling on with something about ingesting acids, and the body being made of acids that does not make it healthy......????? NOBODY claimed all acids are good to ingest. Just like not all waters are good to ingest. For example it has already been proven over and over how dangerous drinking ionized alkaline water is. But there are many acids that are very beneficial to the body even though they do not change pH either. For example erroneously claimed earlier in your video of misinformation that ALL vitamins were acids. Of course that is complete nonsense just like the vast majority of your other claims. Even if it were true would you then claim "oh, don't take vitamins because they are dangerous acids"?!!!! And what about the numerous other beneficial acids that can be found in foods such as chlorogenic acid, antioxidant acidic polyphenols, lactic acid, malic acid, citric acid, acetic acid, etc, etc, etc. So we should stop eating according to your Chicken Little "acids are going to kill you mentality since most foods contain acids and all foods metabolize in to acids?

34:10 "ginkgosalicylic acid"?!!! Show me a link where this substance even exists. Ginkgo contains ginkolic acids. I never even heard of the "ginkgosalicylic acid" you mention so I would like to see proof from you that it exists. Or are you just continuing to make crap up as you go?

34:12 "bactacylic acid"?!!!! Again proof that this substance even exists. Still sounds to me like you are still making crap as you go along. Let's look at the active compounds in bacopa https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746283/ "The main nootropic constituents of BM are believed to be dammarane types of triterpenoid saponins known as bacosides, with jujubogenin or pseudo-jujubogenin moieties as aglycone units.38 Bacosides comprise a family of 12 known analogs.39 Novel saponins called bacopasides I–XII have been identified more recently.40–42 The alkaloids brahmine, nicotine, and herpestine have been catalogued, along with D-mannitol, apigenin, hersaponin, monnierasides I–III, cucurbitacins and plantainoside B.43–50 The constituent most studied has been bacoside A, which was found to be a blend of bacoside A3,bacopacide II, bacopasaponin C, and a jujubogenin isomer of bacosaponin C." Hmmm..... No mention of the "bactacylic acid" you mention. Just a lot of saponin and alkaline alkaloid compounds. Are you sure you are not just making crap up as you go along as you have been doing all along? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

34:19 "those foods are not acids". They are not foods, they are herbs. Should I spend a couple more hours trying to explain the differences to you? Oh, never mind it will just go way over your head just like all the other facts have.

34:36 You state "does that mean we are acid?" LOL!!! NOBODY ever made that claim. Why do you keep twisting everything that was said? Oh that's right, it's called DESPERATION!!! Just because the body is composed of acids and runs on acids that DOES NOT mean we are acid. Again in the very beginning of the video it is CLEARLY stated that there are parts of the body that have to be acidic for health and other parts of the body that have to be alkaline for health. You can explain this concept to a 5 year old and they would understand it. So I cannot figure out why that simple fact keeps flying so far over your head!!!!

34:46 "that we should consume acid ionized water, no it is full of free radicals". Once again you are twisting what was really said out of sheer desperation. NOBODY said you should drink the acid water. What was said is that you could but it could damage your teeth. As far as the free radical point you are contradicting yourself once again. What is the free radical in the acid water? Monotomic hydrogen, the same thing that you said earlier was a beneficial compound in ionized water. So you keep flipping between it is a dangerous free radical and it is beneficial with health People can get whiplash tying to keep up with your every contradicting claims!!!! And you keep leaving out the fact that the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides in the water dissociate forming the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to cancer and other diseases. Is this just because you are being highly deceitful or is this due to complete lack of chemistry knowledge or both?

35:45 Again with the acid water "is full of free radicals" so you should not drink it. So again, what is the free radical in ionized acid water? The same hydrogen ions that you were so enthusiastically touting as being so beneficial for the body earlier. Just one of your NUMEROUS contradictions and misunderstandings of basic chemistry. And again you fail to mention the dangerous hydroxyl radical formed in ionized alkaline water that is linked to cancer and other diseases. Why is that? Oh that's right you did not even know that the water is made alkaline by caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides. Apparently you thought the water was made alkaline by fairy dust or unicorn poop or something.

35.50 You write "Acid ionized water lacks electrons-so it is full of free radicals". ROTFLMAO!!!! OMG that has to be the actually dumbest comment I have heard in my life!!!!! Water contains electrons, hydrogen contains an electron. So how can this water lack electrons? The amount of electrons present is not an indicator of whether something contains free radicals or not or the level. And Is I pointed out to this imbecile earlier uranium has more electrons than his dangerous ionized alkaline water. That does not mean it is a good idea or safe to ingest uranium. And electricity is electrons so does this imbecile think you should pee on a electrical outlet to get your charge of electrons. McCauley clearly does not have the faintest clue what he is talking about. No wonder he keeps making crap up as he goes along.

36:34 "You are proving what you want to prove". No, what is being stated is what has been proven by science. You are simply proving what a complete imbecile you are. Have you provided even a single shred of evidence to back any of your claims? NO!!!! Can you? NO!!! Why? Because you cannot provide evidence that does not exist since the claims you made are bogus to begin with. So what you are doing is NOT PROVING what you want to prove. Ironic isn't it!

36:35 "I have 20 years of proof by drinking ionized water that's incredibly healthy". Another fallacious argument. Let's forget the fact that this water has already been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be unhealthy. What makes your use "proof"? As i pointed out earlier I know people who smoked longer than that without showing any health issues. That DOES NOT mean smoking is safe or healthy. And two of my grandparents owned a cattle farm and so ate all sorts of meat that you claim is highly acidic. They both lived to 96 and were in very good health most of their lives. S o you are using EXTREMELY faulty reasoning to defy what has already been proven by real science, which is the fact that ionized alkaline water is very bad for one's health.

38:30 "don't take a product that is a great product...." . Quack products like water ionizers ARE NOT "great products". Funny how you keep trying to justify this proven dangerous quackery. You are trying so hard to rationalize this crap just like you did several times before by using the fallacious argument that you used it for 20 years and so that is "proof'. Are you on some type of mind altering meds because you seem so detached from reality?

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39:05 "so don't use that as an excuse to say ionized water is bad because it being misrepresented by an MLM". Earth to McCauley....Earth to McCauley....Come in McCauley. The reason that this water is being proven bad is not because Kangen misrepresented their business license. It is because the REAL science has proven that mineral (metal) hydroxides such as those found in ionized alkaline water directly damage tissues, dangerous neutralize stomach acid increasing the risk of NUMEROUS diseases and also dissociates forming the hydroxyl radical linked to cancer and other diseases. Although you do bring up a very good point of how people selling these dangerous quack devices are misrepresenting things. In your case it is REAL science that you are misrepresenting to mislead people in to thinking that ingesting dilute versions of dangerous compounds such as Drano and Red Devil Lye are healthy to drink. How can anyone be that stupid. Or is it actually delusional?

39:20 "they have not talked about when to drink ionized water". LOL!!! If you have not figured that out by now as you said then I don't know what to tell you. It was pretty clear the answer was NEVER if you want to stay healthy. Again drinking caustic radical forming dilute versions of Drano and Red Devil Lye ARE NOT healthy!!!! That fact cannot be made any clearer but your lack of a grasp on reality is preventing you from grasping such simple concepts!!!

39:53 "when you drink any type of water and particularly ionized water with your meals well you know you are washing out your hydrochloric acid all the enzymes that are produced in the body the Acidophilus and Bifidus, everything" First of all you are not washing out anything. Especially Acidophilus and Bifidus that don't even reside in the stomach. You can dilute the stomach acid and enzymes, in which the body will simply excrete more in to the stomach. Some water during meals is actually good for several reasons. The water helps with the mixing, breaking down and extraction of food.

What is really funny is that right before this at 39:49 you say that you do not drink water until a half to one hour after eating. Again if you were a real doctor then you would have known that it takes longer than an hour for a meal to completely empty out of the stomach. So as usual you are once again contradicting yourself. Since the food, acid and enzymes are still going to be in the stomach after the one hour you wait to drink the water then IF what you claimed was true then you would be "washing your hydrochloric acid all the enzymes that are produced in the body the Acidophilus and Bifidus, everything" . It amazes me at how many times you have contradicted your own statements. I guess that is what happens when you keep making up stuff as you go along and so you cannot keep your NUMEROUS lies straight.

40:21 "Did they mention that? Nope didn't mention that at all". Why would we when the claim is a complete myth?!!!!

40:26 "And the most important thing about ionized water is it is a very powerful antioxidant". LOL!!! That myth has already been debunked so many times!!! The ionized alkaline water forms the dangerous hydroxyl radical one of the reactive oxygen species, linked to cancer and other diseases.

40:39 "He says they are hydroxides, I don't think so. I think they are hydroxyls so we have an argument there". Not an argument at all just more proof that you don't have the faintest clue what you are talking about. Do you think these hydroxyls just magically appear? Of course not. So what are they formed from? From the mineral (metal) hydroxides that make the water alkaline as I have told you so many times!!!! More specifically what I have told you over and over and over and over and over........? That the ionized alkaline water is made alkaline during the electrolysis by the negatively charged hydroxyl group being attracted to the positively charged metals of the minerals in the water forming the caustic radical forming mineral (metal) hydroxides that make the water alkaline. These mineral (metal) hydroxides dissociate forming the dangerous HYDROXYL RADICAL linked to cancer and other diseases. So what is the "hydroxyl" you mention?:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hydroxyl

"Definition of hydroxyl. 1 : the chemical group, ion, or radical OH that consists of one atom of hydrogen and one of oxygen and is neutral or negatively charged. 2 : hydroxide "

So the dangerous cancer and disease forming radical known as the hydroxyl radical produced from the dissociation of the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that make ionized alkaline water alkaline IS A HYDROXYL!!!! See, no argument at all. You just backed what I have been telling you all along that you did not understand due to your lack of a proper education and no knowledge of chemistry.

41:00 "it has a huge amount of electrons in it, those are free radical scavengers. So again, uranium has way more electrons that ionized alkaline water. So does that mean ingesting uranium is safe and healthy? Is the uranium antioxidant? Why would ingesting uranium cause cancer since by your erroneous claim its antioxidant activity should prevent cancer? You said a lot of people outsmart themselves. So what do you call what you keep doing, which is to make things up as you go and refuse to back your claims with evidence since no evidence exists? Is that then called out conning yourself?!!!! Oh by the way free radicals also contain electrons. So according to your faulty hypothesis free radicals should be wonderful for the body. Better put away your comic books and start reading some basic chemistry and human physiology books to get a real education!!!

41:03 "And it has a negative charge". Yes the very dangerous hydroxyl radical, or as I had to point out to you is the same thing as a "hydroxyl" has a negative charge. Many free radicals have negative charges. Nothing new!!

41:04 "It has a negative ORP". I was wondering when you would finally get around to this. The ORP misrepresentation by the ionized alkaline water scammers has been addressed so many times. They clearly don't have the faintest clue what ORP (oxidation reduction potential) is.

41:24 You wrote "Rush is an example of slow oxidation". What are you even talking about? And so far your explanation of ORP has NOTHING to do with ORP!!!

"I only know of two things with a negative charge, a negative ORP. Ionized alkaline water, raw fruits and vegetables." ROTFLMAO!!!! First of all negative charge DOES NOT mean negative ORP. You are proving already that you don't have the faintest clue what ORP really is. Secondly, the negative charge from ionized alkaline water is due to the dangerous cancer and other disease forming hydroxyl radical (hydroxyl) that is formed from dissociation of the caustic mineral (metal0 hydroxides that make the water alkaline but you deny even exist in the water. So this negative charge is from a dangerous free radical in the water, which IS NOT a good thing!!!!

41:31 You write "Ionized water and raw foods reduce oxidation in the body". So how does ionized alkaline water reduce oxidation in the body when it forming the reactive oxygen species (ROS) the hydroxyl radical that you claim is in the water under its other name a hydroxyl? So once again you are contradicting your own argument yet once again because you cannot keep up with all the lies you have told due to your need since you don't have even the slightest education on chemistry or human physiology.

41:31 "ionized is exactly as is found in nature". Again tell everyone here where these caustic, radical forming mineral (metal) hydroxides are found in nature. Be specific IF you can even provide examples. Or are you simply making crap up as usual as you go along.

41:43 You write "Reducing oxidation in the body is one of the keys to longevity". So for longevity we need to stay away from ionized alkaline water since is contains what you call a hydroxyl, which as shown with evidence is the dangerous reactive oxygen specie known as the hydroxyl radical, also linked to cancer and other diseases. No problem, I will stay away from the dangerous crap known as ionized alkaline water. And now many other people will also know to stay away from this quackery based on your own claim. Good job!!!

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41:43 You FALSELY claim all disease lives in an acid environment". More proof that you are not a real doctor. If you were a real doctor then you would have known the fact that the blood is maintained in an alkaline state except is EXTREMELY rare circumstances such as kidney failure, respiratory failure or certain poisonings. Since the blood rarely goes acidic this means that disease, which is EXTREMELY common almost always arises in an ALKALINE environment. At least i know what to get you for Christmas now. Lessons in using common sense! Even cancer arises in alkalinity. And H. pylori was mentioned. This ulcer and cancer causing bacteria uses the enzyme urease to produce ammonia, which alkalizes the stomach to allow the bacteria to survive and thrive. The bacteria responsible for urinary tract infections use the same enzyme also to make an alkaline environment for their survival. So again you show your complete lack of understanding of human physiology and it is clear that you are getting your health information from bogus sales and propaganda sites since you keep repeating old outdated proven incorrect claims that are often repeated on these sites.

41:45 "well look at a cancer patient. As they become more and more sick they become more and more acid. And you can go crazy trying to figure out the chemistry". More misinformation. First of all as pointed out already cancer ALWAYS arises in an ALKALINE environment. In fact, research has shown that when a healthy cell is made excessively alkaline the healthy cells morph in to cancer cells. Also keep in mind that cancer cells have a more alkaline internal pH than healthy cells. Cancer cells need this alkalinity for not only survival, but this alkalinity also drives cancer cell glycolysis:

Alkalinity driving cancer cell growth and malignant transformation:

Role of the Intracellular pH in the Metabolic Switch Between Oxidative Phosphorylaiton and Aerobic Glycolysis-Relavance to Cancer. Cancer 2011;2(3):WMC001716

Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000 Nov;14(14):2185-97

Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418 31P

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How cancer cells maintain their internal alkalinity and evidence that blocking the proton pumps makes cancer cells acidic killing them:

Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

Vacuolar H+-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

Targeting vacuolar H+-ATPases as a new strategy against cancer. Cancer Res 2007 Nov 15;67(22):10627-30

Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase signaling pathway in cancer. Curr Protein Pept Sci 2012 Mar;13(2):152-63

As for the chemistry it is not that hard to understand. Both healthy cells and cancer cells both use the same forms of energy production (glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation). During energy production
hydrogen ions (protons) that you claim are both very beneficial compounds in ionized water and dangerous free radicals in ionized water are produced. Since both healthy cells and cancer cells both require an alkaline internal pH to survive they both export the protons in the external matrix where they are normally removed by the body right away. Cancer cells have a higher metabolism though so they excrete more
protons than healthy cells. Over time as the cancerous tumor gets big enough the proton excretion can exceed the removal rate. At this point the LOCALIZED area around the tumor becomes acidic. This IS NOT the same as acidosis, which this guy is trying to imply. Acidosis is a blood pH below the normal 7.35. The localized area around the tumor IS NOT the whole bloodstream and thus IS NOT acidosis and DOES NOT mean the person is acidic. If this imbecile wants to use the excuse of localized acidity means acidosis then this would mean everyone has acidosis since as pointed out so many times there are parts of the body that are supposed to remain acidic for health. Of course we can all see how ridiculously stupid such reasoning would be, but this guy still seems to be using such ridiculously stupid reasoning.

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Rebuttal errors finale:

41:56 "No mention of the size or shape of the water molecule clusters". Because that had NOTHING to do with the topic for starters. Here, have something for you. Read up:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html

42:01 "all they know is alkalinity is bad, alkalinity is bad, alkalinity is bad". Are you really such an air head? NOBODY said alkalinity is bad when it comes to blood, which is the topic. Once again as pointed out in the very first part of the video is was CLEARLY pointed out that some parts of the body have to be acidic for health and some parts have to be alkaline for health. So if some parts of the body, such as the blood have to be alkaline for health then how is that saying that alkalinity is bad?!!!! So either you were too much of a complete imbecile to understand what was being said or you are simply outright lying again as you have been caught doing so many times already!!!!

42:10 "You are creating hexagonal water molecule clusters". A See the link I posted for you above.

42:12 "the hexagonal structure is found throughout nature". No it is not . Bee and wasp hives, basalt columns and some crystals have this shape, but it is hardly common in nature and thus NOT throughout nature.

42:24 You are saying this hexagonal structure is being used everywhere in nature. OK, so where is the hexagonal structures in pine trees? How about a a real opal? How about in a deer? I know, what about in oxygen molecules? All are part of nature so where are these structures in these since they are throughout nature? And don't forget to provide CREDIBLE evidence to back your claims. Or are you just making crap up as you go along again?

42:34 You write "Ionized water molecules clusters have a hexagonal shape". Again that is just bogus sales propaganda. And it has nothing to do with the topic of the alkalinity of ionized alkaline water and why that makes it dangerous.

42:40 You write "We know this by measuring the surface tension of the water in Hertz (Hz)". Oh please go on with a much more detailed explanation of this. Be very specific because I am sure I am not the only one that can use a good laugh. Let's see some CREDIBLE evidence that you can determine water structure differences from water tension. NOT some sales or propaganda site but from a CREDIBLE source.

43:00 You make the same claim of ionized alkaline water being found throughout nature. So once again show us some CREDIBLE evidence to this claim. Where is nature are these caustic, radical forming mineral (metal) hydroxides found in nature? Be specific and again back these claims with some credible evidence. Not just "well I read this guys opinion in some book".

43:30 "alkaline water according to these two guys is bad because it is alkaline". There you go twisting what was said to deceive people as usual. If we claimed it was bad just because it was alkaline then why would we recommend alkaline spring water. OOPS, you got busted lying again!!!!! The reasons pointed out as to why ionized alkaline water is bad are 1. Because it contains caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that include dilute versions of Drano and Red Devil Lye that can damage tissues. 2. The water can dangerously neutralize stomach acid increasing the risk of infection, reducing methylation and increasing the risk of NUMEROUS diseases and conditions. 3. The mineral (metal) hydroxides dissociate producing the dangerous hydroxyl radical, or hydroxyl, as you call it that you claim is beneficial in the water even though this dangerous free radical has been linked to cancer and other diseases. Funny how you even kept denying that the water was made alkaline by the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides although the "hydroxyl" or hydoxyl radical is formed from these mineral (metal) hydroxides. Maybe you thought that Tinkerbell maybe waved her magic wand over the water and these dangerous hydroxyls that you claim are healthy just magically appeared.

43:45 "almost everything they said was wrong". Then why have you not been able to refute even a single claim made by posting any CREDIBLE evidence like actual studies? And why did you end up making the same claims that you were claiming were wrong stating them as facts and even backed my statements about the hydroxyl radical (hydroxyls as you call them) with your own statements? The fact is that you have no clue what the truth is because you lack even a basic knowledge of chemistry and human physiology as has been proven by your OUTSTANDING NUMBER of mistakes I had to correct in this video. You are like a plumber telling a brain surgeon that he is doing a brain operation incorrectly.

43:54 "He is not giving out misinformation". Wow you got something correct. Facts are not misinformation. So of course I was not giving out misinformation because I was presenting proven facts unlike your unfounded claims and making up claims of things said that were NEVER said and twisting of other things that were said. You totally shot all your credibility with those con tactics.

The last little part of your video was just more bogus sales hype. I really got a kick out of when you refereed to your book as the 'definitive guide". That was just absolutely hilarious considering you were not even aware of basic facts such as it is caustic, radical forming mineral (metal) hydroxides that make the water alkaline. You even denied they were in there. And you were unaware of all the dangers of this water. You did not know that the "hydroxyls" that you were referring to and claiming make the water beneficial was just another name for the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to cancer and other diseases. You also claimed that it was the hydrogen ions in the water that made it beneficial but claimed the acid water was full of dangerous free radicals, which are actually the hydrogen ions. You touted the benefits of a negative charge not realizing that free radicals can also have negative charges. You erroneously claimed numerous times that more electrons means healthier even though i disproved that bogus claim over and over. Your claims about water during meals were not only incorrect but also contradictory to your own statement. And those are just a few of the NUMEROUS mistakes you made in your video. So again how can your book be the definitive guide when you don't have the faintest clue what you are talking about?!!!!!

I swear, if there was a Darwin Award for death of intelligence you would have taken the award by now!!!

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RE: Addressing Bob McCauley's Alkaline Myth Rebuttal
I forgot to clear up the confusion about ORP that Bob McCauley is creating as the ionized water scammers keep misguiding people as to what it really is. ORP DOES NOT measure the antioxidant activity as they keep falsely telling people. ORP readings measure impurity content and ability to destroy contaminants. This is not the same as antioxidant activity. Not even close!!!

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More addressing Dr. Bob McCauley's NUMEROUS errors
More addressing Dr. Bob McCauley's NUMEROUS errors from the comments section of his REBUTTAL to The Alkaline Myth and Hype The Acid Alkaline Truth Exposed" video:

Dr. Bob McCauley: "Fresh lemon is acid until it enters the body where it turns alkaline."

ROTFLMAO!!!! That would be quite the magic trick since you cannot make an acid alkaline. You can neutralize an acid forming salts, but then it is no longer an acid to begin with. So it is impossible to make an acid alkaline.

Too many people are confusing the digestive "alkaline response" with blood pH. The former DOES NOT affect the later.

During digestion in the stomach all foods are made acidic or more acidic. When the chyme (partially digested food, stomach acid, enzymes and liquids) exit the stomach the pancreas releases bicarbonate in to the first part of the intestine to neutralize all the acids in the chyme so they do not damage the intestines. This is the so-called "alkaline response" and it occurs with ALL foods including lemon, steak, candy bars, lettuce, fruits, vegetables, cake, etc. The alkaline response therefore has NOTHING to do with the blood pH and this DOES NOT mean certain foods are converted in to alkalis in the body. Eventually ALL foods, including lemons are metabolized in to acids in the body. Even a first year med student would be aware of these facts!!!


Dr. Bob McCauley: "All raw foods have an alkaline effect on the body. "

Again this is TOTAL NONSENSE!!! As already pointed out ALL foods get metabolized in to acids, even though the body's pH IS NOT regulated by diet. Virtually all pH regulation is through increasing or decreasing hydrogen ion (proton) levels through respiration and kidney function, and by regulating bicarbonate levels by the kidneys.

Furthermore, it does not matter if food is cooked or raw. That has NO effect on the blood pH. And many of the so-called "alkaline foods" actually have acidic pH values to begin with. And as already pointed out these acids will be neutralized in the chyme as it leaves the stomach.

All foods have to be broken down in to its "building blocks" such as amino acids and simple sugars for absorption. All of these components eventually get metabolized in to various acids. The fibers, which cannot be digested by the body get reacted on by the flora (beneficial bacteria and yeast) producing a variety of other acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid, caprylic acid, etc. Ironically you make it sound like acids are so bad for people but in your video you mention the importance of probiotics, which are ACID PRODUCING microbes!!!! These acids help with nutrient absorption and protecting us from pathogens. So once again you are contradicting your own arguments!

I suggest you pick up a book on human physiology and really dedicate yourself to learning how things really work in the human body.


Dr. Bob McCauley: "Never drink water around mealtime."

Another common myth. Some water with meals not only helps with mixing of the chyme but also aids in the extraction of nutrients because water is the "universal solvent".


Dr. Bob McCauley: "Otherwise alkaline ionized water is the healthiest thing we can consume."

Actually ionized alkaline water is very dangerous to consume. To understand why let's start with how it is made and what it forms to make it alkaline, which is actually VERY BASIC chemistry.

Ionized alkaline water is produced by electrolysis of mineralized water, which splits the water in to a water with excess positively charged hydrogen ions (protons) making the acid water and a negatively charged hydroxyl group water making an alkaline water. Since opposite charges attract the electrolysis electrodes must be separated in different chambers to keep the water in it split form. The acid water can act as an antioxidant since it can combine with oxygen to form water. The hydroxyl group is a totally different story. The hydroxyl group binds with the positively charged metals of the minerals in the water such as potassium, sodium and calcium forming the corresponding mineral (metal) hydroxides. These are dilute versions of the very caustic compounds Drano (potassium hydroxide), Red Devil Lye (sodium hydroxide) and caustic lime (calcium hydroxide) used to make cement. All of these products have CLEAR warning labels not to allow contact with the tissues for a very good reason. All of these can cause severe tissue damage by chemically burning the tissues!!!

When ingested in dilute form these hydroxides still neutralize the stomach acid, which poses several problems.

First of all this interferes with digestion. This can lead to food allergies since sufficient stomach acid is needed for the protein digestive enzyme pepsin to function properly and completely break down proteins. When there is insufficient stomach acid the proteins only get partially digested and these protein solutes can be absorbed in to the bloodstream acting as antigens to the immune system.

A second problem is that there are certain nutrients such as B6, B12 and folate that need sufficient stomach acid for absorption. These nutrients are needed for the production of the methyl donor SAMe. Methylation itself is required for about 4,000 reactions in the body. And decreased methylation can lead to cancer, heart disease, arthritis, immune suppression, hormone and neurotransmitter imbalances, water balance issues, allergies, etc, etc, etc. Making matters worse methylation is also required for the production of stomach acid, which means as methylation is interfered with by the consumption of ionized alkaline water the levels of stomach acid will further decline leading to even less methylation and cycle continues. I would expect a real doctor to know this basic concept.

Then there is the issue of the neutralization of stomach acid with the ionized alkaline water this also increases the risk of illness from ingested pathogens. Keep in mid the fact that the majority of pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment and are killed by acidity. This is why one role of stomach acid and flora acids is to kill pathogens in the body. Even when there is no food in the stomach there is some acid present for this exact reason since we ingest pathogens every time we swallow anything whether it be just saliva, a drink or food. When you neutralize the stomach acid with ionized alkaline water you are only increasing your risk of pathogen infection every time you swallow. Pretty STUPID thing to do!!!! This also applies to the use of antacids, acid blockers, baking soda, calcium carbonate (coral, dolomite, oyster shell) and magnesium oxide.

On top of all that these is the fact that these mineral (metal) hydroxides dissociate forming the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to the formation of cancer and other diseases.

So how on Earth is this very dangerous crap "the healthiest thing we can consume"?!!!!

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A poster said that he thought the body has means to balance its own pH. I responded with:

"Yes, the body has multiple, redundant systems to maintain its pH since the body can only be healthy and survive in the narrow range of 7.35-7.45. So when McCauley is telling people they need to achieve a neutral pH of 7.0 he is showing he has no clue what he is talking about and he is putting people's health and lives at risk. A pH of 7.0 is actually considered acidosis, which is defined medically as a pH below the normal 7.35. So on one hand he is touting how dangerous acidosis is then on the other hand he is telling people they need to get there pH to 7.0, which is acidosis. Just one of the NUMEROUS errors and contradictions he made in his video since he does not understand even basic chemistry or human physiology. Read my rebuttal to his "rebuttal" in the comments section for more examples of his errors and contradictions. These include the false belief that the food or water you ingest can alter a person's pH. Our pH IS NOT regulated by diet, which is a good thing since ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. Basic human physiology! Our pH is regulated almost exclusively through the lungs and kidneys."

Of course the quack McCauley chimed in with:

"It's done through the blood. Sloane has his physiology all wrong. Alkaline Ionized Water is the healthiest substance you can consume."

So I responded back with:

"Wow, I thought this uneducated quack had learned his lesson by now. Apparently not.

Of course blood plays a ROLE in pH regulation. How does this imbecile think the acidic protons reach the kidney and lungs for removal? Or where protons are retained to maintain pH? The answer is the blood. But again BASIC HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY would teach this quack that the level of protons in the blood, which is the pH we are discussing, is maintained almost exclusively by the lungs and kidneys, which retain or eliminate protons as part of pH regulation of the blood. So the blood pH is regulated almost exclusively by the lungs and kidneys just as I pointed out, which is why respiratory and kidney failure can lead to acidosis!!!!

Tell everyone here McCauley since you say I am wrong how it is the blood maintains its own pH? Be specific. How specifically does the blood retain or eliminate the acidic hydrogen ions to maintain its own pH without the lungs or kidneys? This should be extremely entertaining if this quack even has the balls to answer the question!!!

And since according to this quack the blood somehow magically regulates its own pH then there would be no reason to ingest the dangerous, caustic, radical forming ionized alkaline water even if it could affect blood pH. So once again this con artist is contradicting himself!!!!"

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